002; text -- if you die in the dream, do you die in real life?

[in_the_blood]

so hey, honesty & philosophy hour

if it's true what they say, and none of us remember our time here after we've left

are we even really here?

what i mean is, does it matter what we do here if we don't remember it?

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[majestyofthethrone]

I don't know if we can really be sure about that.

[in_the_blood]

that's what people who come back here say, though, isn't it? that they don't remember ever being here before.

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[discretion]

It's the only life some people have. I'd say it matters to them.

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[in_the_blood]

why "the only"?

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[extrospector]

yeah i've kind of been wondering that. not whether or not we're really here but whether or not it matters. like just because you don't remember doing something doesn't mean it doesn't matter. or it didn't change you or something.

but, i don't know. i don't think there's a way to know for sure. is there? unless you do something crazy and life-changing here and wait to see if anything's different when you go home. but even then you can't generalize from one person to the entire ship with any certainty. maybe it didn't matter for the one person, but maybe it's going to matter for someone else.

also people do fucked up things when they think there are no consequences. maybe its better for everyone to believe it matters even if we're not sure.

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[in_the_blood]

... hm. i think i like that answer best.

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[ex_inventive578]

What? Everything matters.

switching to video too

[in_the_blood]

Hey Doctor! Nice to finally see you.

And I thought you might say something like that. But does it really? If it's like it never existed.

[ex_question191]

Is honesty and philosophy hour a daily thing?

Is it mandatory?

[in_the_blood]

only if someone else wants to run it. i don't think i can come up with more than one hard-hitting question per week.

and no. i'm just curious.

i'm always curious, i guess. it's kind of a running theme with me.

[thebreakingwave]

Do we know for sure that we don't remember? That it has no effect?

It's possible that when you go back for good, not just away and then back, that you do remember.

[in_the_blood]

too bad there isn't a way of testing that for sure. i don't think so anyway.

seraphim said the same-- that we're missing that piece of the puzzle.

[tg]

so if "they" were wrong
does that make honesty & philosophy hour into dishonesty & sophistry hour?

[in_the_blood]

nnnoooope, probably just... people sitting around discussing a theory.

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[trepidations]

we don't remember?

then why do we get sent here in the first place?

[in_the_blood]

isn't that kind of like asking the meaning of life?

[forcereset]

those that remain have to live with the consequences of your actions, whether you remember them or not. that should matter.

[in_the_blood]

what if we all went home?

[askedtobe]

Even if we don't remember, if won't change what we do. What we've done.

[in_the_blood]

spoken like a man who's speaking from experience.

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[unaccepted]

[ He has not heard that rumor yet, and does not know exactly what it means to leave, and so this catches his interest. ] If we are discussing philosophy in terms of reality, there are many theories we can go to. However, Epicurus is the Athenian who comes to mind, as his take was that if we can sense it, it must be so. Although that is in relation to the idea of microscopic particles which must, therefore, create man. It is only enough to tell us that the world will not crumble before us, if we are truly in reality.

That is not the end of it, of course, because it never is. When we dream, certainly we sense what we can sense when we are awake. How is one to say this is not entirely a dream? On the other hand, what if my other life was a dream, and I have always been here?

Then your mention of memories would come into question. When I was in my other life, I could not remember this ship, and now that I am here, I can still remember my other life. But then, just because one does not have the memory of this spaceship in the forefront of his mind does not mean he cannot remember it. Again speaking of Descartes, he weeps over a galliard and does not know why--only that he must have some memory which causes him pain, but one that he cannot bring forth. By that theory, yes, our actions would matter, or we might find ourselves sobbing over dances, and that would be a poor show.

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[in_the_blood]

[Cassie switches to voice in return out of politeness.]

Uh... wow. I think I understood about... maybe half of that? Give me a break, I'm only a high school student. You're gonna need to break it down a little.

[quotate]

Ah, existentialism. 'The world is, of course, nothing but our conception of it.'

Do you think we're here?

[in_the_blood]

yeah, i think we're here.

but does it matter that we were here if we don't remember it later?

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[picnmix]

jesus christ put down the mobile before you hurt yourself
nobody gives a shit

omg

[in_the_blood]

well you're entitled to your opinion, i suppose.

even if it's a dumb opinion.

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[skindeep]

Remembered or not, taking your time here for granted seems risky to me. No one has guaranteed me that I'll be returned home, or that I'll have another day whether I'm here or there.

So I'd have to say that it matters.

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[in_the_blood]

[Cassie switches to video too, out of politeness.]

If there's a way in, there has to be a way back. We just don't know it yet.

But that's a fair argument, I guess.

[virginish]

Maybe we're not. Takes the pressure off.

But I guess it maybe matters right now? Like, we have to live it so we may as well not just... totally idle around?

[in_the_blood]

trust me, idling around is the furthest thing from my mind.

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[mathematically]

i'm trying to get over the fact that you just asked us if we're really here before trying to translate it into something a little less offensive.

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[in_the_blood]

hey, it could be one giant shared dreaming experience.

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[ghostthatlingers]

It only matters as much as you want it to.

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[in_the_blood]

there's a different answer.

why do you say that?

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[throwne]

the idealist's answer is that it is the existence of our thoughts, emotions, and actions that holds value, not the memory of them. laughter leaves no footprint, and we value it still.

the pessimist's is that, set on a long enough stretch of time, anything done in any realm will be forgotten. the mind decays, the body dies; family and friends won't keep what they recall of you alive forever, and theirs aren't likely to care enough to try. in a thousand or so years, with some exceptions, what our number does at home matters as much as what they do here — not at all.

[ she has A LOT OF FEELINGS about this, okay. ]

does this happen often? existential crisis hour.

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[in_the_blood]

not often, i don't think.

this issue just hits a little close to home for me, that's all.

i had a friend back home who forgot all our time together. it was awful.

[jilt]

But suppose we do remember? Does that make this somehow more valid?

[in_the_blood]

I don't know if remembering makes a thing more or less valid. I was just wondering if we aren't all... dreaming.

as i casually doubletap this

[leaps]

[ this is actually somewhat horrifying to consider, as far as sulu's concerned. he's quiet for a split second before he answers. ]

It matters. I think it still matters.

shhh /holds u gently

[in_the_blood]

[For Cassie, as well.]

I do too, for the record.

I was hoping there'd be someone who'd respond saying that they went home and they did remember.

[unforgives]

From experience I can tell you it is true we don't remember this place when we leave— as for whether or not this matters? I still think it does despite that.

whoa hey i'm sorry this is so late. life got a bit cray!! i am picking up all rp stuff now tho!

[in_the_blood]

"When you leave..."

But you remembered it when you came back?