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ℰlizabeth ([personal profile] songburdened) wrote in [community profile] ataraxion2014-12-10 07:48 pm

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[ For perhaps the first time over the network, Elizabeth doesn't exactly look chipper. She's fidgeting, pulling at bits of her hair and moving as she talks. ]

Hello. I... I was hoping that I could ask you all your opinions, based on your own experiences. I realize that what I'm asking is situational and... well, really, private, but I really do need advice.

... When you have to kill, or... had to, before, what was it that allowed you to reason through it? Even if the act is for the greater good, it's still the taking of a life. Someone told me once that it was a necessity, though a terrible one, and I know now that he was right. Still, though, if it wasn't for survival-- for your own survival-- [ She pauses, reconsiders. ] If someone else was in danger--an innocent--is it any easier?

[ Clearly, she's never killed anyone before. Elizabeth chews on her lip, very much agitated. ]

Oh! This isn't about anyone on the ship, not at all. I'm only wondering for when I return to Columbia.
yardbird: (revenge is a long tretcherious road)

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[personal profile] yardbird 2014-12-11 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
[Because HAHA fuck if he's going to talk about murder on the network for all to know.]

It depends on the person and who they're killing. Back then I was convinced that what I was doing was right, that it would make the world a better place. The truth was - and I'd had A LOT of time to think about it - I did it for me. That it would help me sleep at night knowing that the man who ruined my life was in the ground.

Now it's become another reason why I don't sleep that much.

Can't speak for everybody, but that was just my experience.
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[personal profile] foundafamily 2014-12-11 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes you don't think about it. If somebody's life is on the line, you gotta act before anything can happen to 'em. I don't think it matters if that person in trouble is you or someone you care about.
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[personal profile] blackmagus 2014-12-11 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
[At first she considers not responding at all. The question hits ridiculous close to home, and that's not a place she wants to be near. But in the end, it's Elizabeth's agitation that makes Fortescue respond. She knows the look. Before she'd resigned herself to her feelings of guilt and responsibility, she'd downed many glasses of alcohol in a search of reasoning. Fortescue remembers her first mission so clearly, and how she'd gotten through it, but after that reasoning had fallen through...

There's also the fact that someone won't look at her the same way, after they know even a little of what she's done.]


Necessity's pretty good. [Even if the reason for that necessity had turned out to be a lie.] Protecting someone else is even better. Gives you a living reason for your actions. It's those people who tell you that it was right that you've got to look out for.
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[personal profile] toomuchtenacity 2014-12-11 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Survival. If I didn't stop them they were going to kill me. Simple.
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[personal profile] overdraws 2014-12-11 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
[ Allison hasn't actually killed a person yet, and the one time she came close she doesn't really like talking about. But she has killed and fought summoned Japanese demons. It's the same thing, right? ] I was trying to protect my friends. I wasn't really thinking about whether or not I was taking a life, I just wanted to make sure they didn't take the lives of the people I care about.
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[personal profile] last_ofthe_jedi 2014-12-11 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Back home there was a war going on. I was a fighter pilot and during a battle I destroyed an entire space station. There were over one million people on board including some prisoners who were on our side. Sometimes I lay awake thinking about it but I know that there was no alternative. They had destroyed an entire planet and they were about to do it again. Sometimes it's kill or be killed though if you can live a lifetime without ever having to kill anyone I'd recommend that route. It can definitely get to you.
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[personal profile] pushesback 2014-12-11 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
The lives depending on it meant more to me than the lives I had to take. Plus one had taken someone close to me already sooo...yeah, that helped.
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[personal profile] songofhappiness 2014-12-11 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
[ The post has Caroline contemplative. And distracted, which is a good thing since she's been worrying about her friend's absence since the jump.

She's killed before, something she tries not to dwell on too much, though it does get to her sometimes. Caroline doesn't feel completely comfortable talking about it over the network, though, but she can see Elizabeth seems conflicted about it. ]


I guess it really depends on what your definition of the 'greater good' would be. If it's to protect someone, I can't say that it would be a bad thing. But taking a life is a serious deal.

I doubt it's ever really easy.


[ The actual action part if it can be, but the guilt that comes afterward...no. Not easy at all. ]
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[personal profile] pushesback 2014-12-11 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
That's great, but sometimes that's the only way to end it. People can be pretty persistent.

I gotta ask, why is it left up to you?
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[personal profile] overdraws 2014-12-11 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Protecting my friends? Absolutely not. [ Like what kind of question is that? ]
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[personal profile] foundafamily 2014-12-11 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I guess if you got the time to do it...

Just what kinda stuff is this guy up to, then?
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[personal profile] blackmagus 2014-12-11 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
[Fortescue smiles, a little, but it's wry.]

No, it isn't.

[So many people think it is. So many people join up with the army — or worse — and think that ending a life is as easy as pointing and pulling the trigger. And guns do make that impression easier, but the faces stay with you. The feelings and smells of where you were stay with you.]

It's a weighing act. Some people can't do it.

[They freeze up, or they try to argue their way out of it. Fortescue can't blame them. Not at all.]
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[personal profile] toomuchtenacity 2014-12-11 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
So you have to kill someone to save someone else?
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[personal profile] sophically 2014-12-12 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
[These questions hit close to home and she chooses to send a reply via video. Elizabeth deserves a direct answer and Hermione isn't afraid of her beliefs.]

No, it's not. The moment killing becomes easy is the moment you know you've become callous.
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[personal profile] peckish4action 2014-12-12 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
[ Robin's face on the screen isn't pleased, and he's wearing the mask, today, but his voice is. Almost gentle. ]

I was taught, and I've seen it work through some pretty horrible situations, that there's always another way. If you're prepared enough. If you're good enough. It's what we do, Batman and I. Save the innocents, put the guilty ones away. Some of them aren't as bad as they look in the heat of the moment, either.

Some of them can go back to being... people, rather than criminals.

[ He's fourteen, and he knows that only applies to some. But, for the most part, you never know which one it'll be, when things are going down. So, no-kill rule in place. ]
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[personal profile] yardbird 2014-12-13 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Like I said, I can't speak for everybody. It was different for me. My reasons are probably going to be different from yours or the next person's. Guess it just boils down to the situation. Some people can be reasoned with. Others just deserve to die.

[He still believes this.]

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