heterophobe: (scheme ♂ getting even in 3 2 1...)
𝒃𝒓𝒊𝒂𝒏 𝒌𝒊𝒏𝒏𝒆𝒚. ([personal profile] heterophobe) wrote in [community profile] ataraxion2012-08-30 05:37 pm

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Given all the rah rah rah for morality that I've seen lately, I figure the topic should be broached.

To me, it doesn't makes a difference and that's what's taken me so long to get to it. If kids want to drink, they're going to find a way to get to what they want. Not to mention, I hardly hold the monopoly on alcohol. [ he's getting to his point in a very roundabout way, yes. ] I'd also like to say that there isn't a day that goes by that I don't see at least one person drinking on camera, drunk texting or boasting about their inebriated state in some manner or another. More often than not, they're what I'd consider underage. And I'm not inclined to give much of a shit about where the product is going because I'm not profiting from it specifically in monetary value.

We don't have a set legal system. Each of us are from countries or worlds where the age cap varies or is completely irrelevant.

That being said, my point is: should there be an age restriction on those I knowingly permit into [ hm, no he's not going to say my ] an establishment where drinking and partying could lead to one thing and then another? I've seen an awful lot of preaching about save the children. God forbid we overlook their sweet, virgin eyes. If we're going to be stuck together for an indefinite amount of time, this might as well be addressed to [ huh, okay, what word does he want to use with you assholes? ] keep the peace. Or something like it. So, let's have it.

Don't care, couldn't be made to care or alternatively, open it to discussion. [ he's bored enough to let strangers and friends bicker at him and among each other. ] And if you were hired by myself or my [ other half ] business partner, report.

[ the camera angle lowers like he's done or ready to shut it off, instead he's scratching behind his ear and shifting his jaw to begrudgingly announce: ] Oh, and by the way, for those of you that knew him.. I think it's safe to finally assume that Justin Taylor has gone home. [ or wherever the fuck people who aren't dead but simply gone go, he doesn't say but his condescending and bitter fucking uncomfortable smirk implies. ]
jurisimpudent: (stressed)

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[personal profile] jurisimpudent 2012-08-31 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
And what would we do here?
faderbroderson: (myspace shot)

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[personal profile] faderbroderson 2012-08-31 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
Here, it is anything but simple. Children arrive and children go. Some children are more insightful than any adult present, while others are reckless and lost. They are not comparable, and to approach them in the same manner would be a disservice to them all.

I would discourage destructive behavior in anyone if I saw it, no matter their age. I would offer advice to one who is drifting or uncertain. But if a child seems competent, mature and independent, I would leave them be unless otherwise asked.

We have a right to keep the children here from harming themselves or others, but I do not believe we have the right to impress upon them our personal values. We may suggest, we may attempt to teach if they are curious, but that is all. I do not believe it would be acceptable, for example, to tell a child he or she is not allowed to consume alcohol when they come from a society in which mead was more common than water.
jurisimpudent: (irritable)

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[personal profile] jurisimpudent 2012-08-31 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
No matter that it has been scientifically demonstrated that consuming alcohol before the brain and body have finished developing has a deleterious effect upon said continuing development. We should leave them be.
faderbroderson: (these are my puppy eyes)

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[personal profile] faderbroderson 2012-08-31 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you provide documentation to that effect? Can you explain to those who may not understand scientific theory what it means? If so, then by all means, teach. Suggest that they do not consume alcohol for their own good. But also remember that such studies were not conducted on non-humans, and such things may or may not apply to any of them. And remember that no matter the potential negative effects, we have found ourselves in a place where living to adulthood may seem more and more a wild dream.
jurisimpudent: (stressed)

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[personal profile] jurisimpudent 2012-08-31 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
[Okay, that gets his back up. A bit tensely:]

Don't be an idiot.
faderbroderson: (i'm very closely cropped)

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[personal profile] faderbroderson 2012-08-31 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
[He doesn't look at all offended, merely curious.]

You find that foolish? Why?
jurisimpudent: (angry)

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[personal profile] jurisimpudent 2012-08-31 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Because they are going to live to adulthood. Do you think we will simply stand complacently by and let them die?
faderbroderson: (no u can't have a cookie)

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[personal profile] faderbroderson 2012-08-31 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course not. And yet what can we do if we are dead or dying ourselves? This place is far from safe. I would even go so far as to say it may be actively hostile. Optimism is a fine trait, Mister Edgeworth, but not at the expense of all forms of pragmatism.
jurisimpudent: (contemptuous)

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[personal profile] jurisimpudent 2012-08-31 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not an optimist; indeed, I am, if anything, deeply cynical. [He actually says that as though he believes it.] But I, and others, shall protect the young people upon this ship until such a time as we all perish - and, so far, it does not seem as though everyone shall perish.
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[personal profile] faderbroderson 2012-09-01 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
You give yourself too little credit. You have faith in law and hope for the future, which are things that cannot be said of many here.

But allow me to broach a related topic. You speak of establishing rules which may or may not be agreeable to the majority. Are you a believer in democracy?
jurisimpudent: (pouty)

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[personal profile] jurisimpudent 2012-09-01 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
[He's clearly not terribly happy about being called hopeful; it's audible in his voice.]

...Yes. I am.
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[personal profile] faderbroderson 2012-09-01 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
And do you agree that to establish rules of law, you would require the agreement of the majority before they would be enforceable?
jurisimpudent: (contemptuous)

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[personal profile] jurisimpudent 2012-09-01 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I do.